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I just remember time ago i was talking with someone (sorry dont remember the name) that gave me some info about the IDU disc and i decided to create this wiki page to group all the info about SHOP http://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/Shop#IDU_Update_Disc

So it seems i knew about the contents i was asking in my first message in this thread, sorry (is just i forgot, lol)

If someone has more info to add (about the .DAT's ...how are loaded, how shop firmware works, or whatever) please use that page

 

The .DAT are an "hdd backup image"

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2 minutes ago, sandungas said:

I just remember time ago i was talking with someone (sorry dont remember the name) that gave me some info about the IDU disc and i decided to create this wiki page to group all the info about SHOP http://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/Shop#IDU_Update_Disc

So it seems i knew about the contents i was asking in my first message in this thread, sorry (is just i forgot, lol)

If someone has more info to add (about the .DAT's ...how are loaded, how shop firmware works, or whatever) please use that page

that was me on IRC man we talked for 3 hours about it and you told me claim the pages

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I'm still not following what the issue is or why there was an argument.

 

Can someone give me an explanation here?

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1 minute ago, PixelButts said:

I'm still not following what the issue is or why there was an argument.

 

Can someone give me an explanation here?

Nothing to serious really, just explaining jokingly about how i'd sorta started the whole Kiosk IDU researching while everyone else was to busy celebrating about getting Linux on CFW something that no casual would honestly care very less about (no offense to the fans) back in the day and wanted to give my quick two cents on the matter and much honestly i don't mind helping out those who'd sadly missed out for whatever reason and want to get back on their feets abd make this community once again great like the 3.55 days.

 

TLDR; it's nothing to worry about really and the issue was solved and done with.

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16 hours ago, DSwizzy145 said:

I got a pic of more IDU Discs if need more information about them: http://imgur.com/a/LKaEL

The white disc and the golden disc are burned copies, right ? (duplicated at home, not soy official) they works on a shop console ?

I guess the answer is yes... i was thinking in this (because the original is just a "data disc") and my bet is they should work... can you confirm it ?

 

And btw... lot of time ago (one or two years ago) i was talking with other "someone" in efenet irc that did show to me the video of the walmart and i added it to wiki just to not forget about it, at that time there was no info in wiki about that disc and no page dedicated to shop, so i added it in the talk page of PARAM.SFO (and now i realized is the same video you have posted here in the forum saying you recorded it)... so this "someone" was you right ? XD

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47 minutes ago, sandungas said:

The white disc and the golden disc are burned copies, right ? (duplicated at home, not soy official) they works on a shop console ?

I guess the answer is yes... i was thinking in this (because the original is just a "data disc") and my bet is they should work... can you confirm it ?

 

And btw... lot of time ago (one or two years ago) i was talking with other "someone" in efenet irc that did show to me the video of the walmart and i added it to wiki just to not forget about it, at that time there was no info in wiki about that disc and no page dedicated to shop, so i added it in the talk page of PARAM.SFO (and now i realized is the same video you have posted here in the forum saying you recorded it)... so this "someone" was you right ? XD

Yep that's me :Plol and actually those discs are actually legitimate and the guy (I forgot his name but i believe he was in this scene awhile ago) had these three IDU Discs shown in the picture are really the legit Sony Shop discs and last told me he was gonna sell it to me for around $30 or $40 for one of each disc but back then i didn't had the money and many people didn't care to help before as a few other guys i knew were trying to do the same research as i was while i did the pkg files made for Kiosk research and later ever since i started to lose interest at the time and stopped using Skype (where i have the guy's contact at) no idea if he still has them or maybe trashed them for all i know.

 

Nowadays i'm started to feel very bad for not keeping up with this project and would love to see this in actuality so it could be possible for end-users and casuals to start installing and running homebrew/emulators without no needs for Custom Firmware or 3.55 OFW.

 

Btw, one question i like to ask... What made you guys finally interested in the Shop/Kiosk IDU stuff after all? just curious

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I been always interested in them just to completion purposes of info in the wiki, i knew was special but had no idea about his contents or how was working

The day you did show to me your video it confused me a bit because this is not how is supposed to work, what happens is the "photo", "video", "music" columns of the XMB has an option (by pressing triangle iirc) that allows you to navigate any directory tree from any "data storage device" (this includes cd data discs, dvd data discs, bd data discs, usb storage devices, and the devices connected on the memory cards slots of the first PS3 FAT model)

Because the IDU discs are  a "data disc"... you can browse his contents from that XMB columns, just incase there is a photo, song, or video in it to display... the files are not displayed though in the IDU discs because XMB filters them by file extension (and that file extensions are not allowed to be displayed on photo, music, or video columns)

Actually, the IDU discs seems to have only 2 functions... one is to update the firmware, and the other is to restore a backup to overwrite the entire HDD... both needs to be started from the XMB "settings" column

I didnt realized about this at that time, just by watching the video i was a bit WTF !!!... i believed you that was real but it makes not much sense to me without having a look at the files

 

Time later is when i could talk with lightningmods and he show to me some screencaptures of the folders and files inside it and i realized the .DAT files was a "hdd backup" (he says he knew about it before, but it took me couple of hours talking with him  because he didnt told to me... most of that conversation i was thinking "hmmm i think i have seen this files before but i dont remember where")

That day (because i finally had the folder/file hierarchy of the disc with all the names of the folders and files, paths, etc...) is when i decided to create an specific page for SHOP in wiki and move all the info spreaded in wiki about shop to it (like your video). There was not much btw as you can see in the SHOP page on wiki, we have some descriptions of how it works (taken from an official sony manual), the directory/file tree (from lightningmods), the unlock codes (moved from another wiki page, im not really sure who was mantaining this codes, i hope he/she realized that has been moved to other wiki page), your video, a photo of a IDU disc (just to have an overall idea of what we are talking about), and not much

 

Personally im not much interested in the contets of the .DAT files but i can point to a couple of interesting details of them

 

In a standard "hdd backup", the files can only be restored in the same PS3, are paired to this machine, but the files in the IDU disc i bet are not paired because sony cant be so picky with his "corporative customers", they needs to simplify the things for the shop owners (and most specifically for the shop employees that could be eventually a bit dumb), this means they can update several machines with the same disc

It could be interesting to understand how this works and try to find a way to use in our advatage

 

Next thing to look at is how are "merged" the xregistry.sys

In the "hdd backup inside the IDu disc (the .DAT files) there is an xregistry.sys... and there is another xregistry.sys in the console where you are going to restore the backup, and the console is turned on when the restore process happens, so the xregistry.sys from the console is "in use" and is "updated" by merging his contents with the other xregistry.sys from the "hdd backup"

This process is normal, happens in all ps3 models, but is unknown as far i know nobody tryed to understand how it works and i think is posible SHOP does something different than retail

*As a proof of this "merging" procedure, think in the "hdd model" value stored in all xregistry.sys... when you make a hdd backup in any ps3 the model of the hdd is stored in the backup (as example... SEAGATE120GB)... but you can restore this backup in the same ps3 by using another hdd... obviouslly after the merge the "old" hdd model is lost (because the hdd has been replaced) and only is kept the model name of the new hdd

 

The last thing (in general) is to take a look at the different files in the hdd after restoring the "hdd backup"... and im not talking about the games (eboot.bin) because you are going to crash with a problem of signatures... yes is a SHOP and the game has not been installed using a .PKG (so you are bypassing the .PKG installation) but every executable that runs in PS3 is signed and is not posible to sign unnofficially over 3.55

Im thinking more in the PARAM.SFO's (yeah i know i have a perversion with them) maybe uses a rare CATEGORY or ATTRIBUTE flags specific for SHOP

Also, any other stuff preinstalled (not part of the firmware) worths to take a look incase is using some specific trick for SHOP

 

Time ago it was very hard to check all this but after the release of the tools to decript and rebuild the hdd backups (from kakaroto, flatz, TheDarkprogrammer, etc...) is a bit easyer, but for some of the things i mentioned (like trying to understand how the merging of xregistry.sys works) is needed lot of tests and time

 

Hope this wall of text helps to start a constructive/destructive talk about what other usefull things could be hidden in that IDU discs... also incase someone wants to debunk the speculations i just said... is not clear yet if the IDU discs could be hiding something interesting or if are completlly useless

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19 minutes ago, sandungas said:

I been always interested in them just to completion purposes of info in the wiki, i knew was special but had no idea about his contents or how was working

The day you did show to me your video it confused me a bit because this is not how is supposed to work, what happens is the "photo", "video", "music" columns of the XMB has an option (by pressing triangle iirc) that allows you to navigate any directory tree from any "data storage device" (this includes cd data discs, dvd data discs, bd data discs, usb storage devices, and the devices connected on the memory cards slots of the first PS3 FAT model)

Because the IDU discs are  a "data disc"... you can browse his contents from that XMB columns, just incase there is a photo, song, or video in it to display... the files are not displayed though in the IDU discs because XMB filters them by file extension (and that file extensions are not allowed to be displayed on photo, music, or video columns)

Actually, the IDU discs seems to have only 2 functions... one is to update the firmware, and the other is to restore a backup to overwrite the entire HDD... both needs to be started from the XMB "settings" column

I didn't realized about this at that time, just by watching the video i was a bit WTF !!!... i believed you that was real but it makes not much sense to me without having a look at the files

 

Time later is when i could talk with lightningmods and he show to me some screen captures of the folders and files inside it and i realized the .DAT files was a "hdd backup" (he says he knew about it before, but it took me couple of hours talking with him  because he didn't told to me... most of that conversation i was thinking "hmmm i think i have seen this files before but i don't remember where")

That day (because i finally had the folder/file hierarchy of the disc with all the names of the folders and files, paths, etc...) is when i decided to create an specific page for SHOP in wiki and move all the info spreaded in wiki about shop to it (like your video). There was not much btw as you can see in the SHOP page on wiki, we have some descriptions of how it works (taken from an official sony manual), the directory/file tree (from lightningmods), the unlock codes (moved from another wiki page, i'm not really sure who was maintaining this codes, i hope he/she realized that has been moved to other wiki page), your video, a photo of a IDU disc (just to have an overall idea of what we are talking about), and not much

 

Personally im not much interested in the contents of the .DAT files but i can point to a couple of interesting details of them

 

In a standard "hdd backup", the files can only be restored in the same PS3, are paired to this machine, but the files in the IDU disc i bet are not paired because sony cant be so picky with his "corporative customers", they needs to simplify the things for the shop owners (and most specifically for the shop employees that could be eventually a bit dumb), this means they can update several machines with the same disc

It could be interesting to understand how this works and try to find a way to use in our advantage

 

Next thing to look at is how are "merged" the xregistry.sys

In the "hdd backup inside the IDU disc (the .DAT files) there is an xregistry.sys... and there is another xregistry.sys in the console where you are going to restore the backup, and the console is turned on when the restore process happens, so the xregistry.sys from the console is "in use" and is "updated" by merging his contents with the other xregistry.sys from the "hdd backup"

This process is normal, happens in all ps3 models, but is unknown as far i know nobody tried to understand how it works and i think is possible SHOP does something different than retail

*As a proof of this "merging" procedure, think in the "hdd model" value stored in all xregistry.sys... when you make a hdd backup in any ps3 the model of the hdd is stored in the backup (as example... SEAGATE120GB)... but you can restore this backup in the same ps3 by using another hdd... obviously after the merge the "old" hdd model is lost (because the hdd has been replaced) and only is kept the model name of the new hdd

 

The last thing (in general) is to take a look at the different files in the hdd after restoring the "hdd backup"... and i'm not talking about the games (eboot.bin) because you are going to crash with a problem of signatures... yes is a SHOP and the game has not been installed using a .PKG (so you are bypassing the .PKG installation) but every executable that runs in PS3 is signed and is not possible to sign unofficially over 3.55

I'm thinking more in the PARAM.SFO's (yeah i know i have a perversion with them) maybe uses a rare CATEGORY or ATTRIBUTE flags specific for SHOP

Also, any other stuff preinstalled (not part of the firmware) worth to take a look incase is using some specific trick for SHOP

 

Time ago it was very hard to check all this but after the release of the tools to decrypt and rebuild the HDD backups (from kakaroto, flatz, TheDarkprogrammer, etc...) is a bit easier, but for some of the things i mentioned (like trying to understand how the merging of xregistry.sys works) is needed lot of tests and time

 

Hope this wall of text helps to start a constructive/destructive talk about what other useful things could be hidden in that IDU discs... also incase someone wants to debunk the speculations i just said... is not clear yet if the IDU discs could be hiding something interesting or if are completely useless.

Excellent analogy, though i was thinking could it be possible to get those installed "Demos" out of the hard drive via restoring the backup and then use a backup manager (ex. multiman or comgenie's awesome file manager) and takes those folders out of the hard drive's "game" folder and copy them to a usb flash drive or external device to the PC and have it examined a bit and see what's different if you think it's very likely possible or not.

 

Sorry it doesn't sound like much help but maybe getting a dump of one of the software and take the param.sfo from each one and check it out everything that way perhaps for now and after repacking them as a .pkg format we can then test out the *Install Package Files on Kiosk Firmware with the built .pkg files a redo this time without erroring out this time hopefully.

 

Unless one of the tools we have available doesn't overwrite the pkg keys as to a CFW type then yeah it should work i hope.

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